你對墮胎權嘅態度係？

[親衞隊]

你點睇完全禁止墮胎嘅國家？

[setimuni]

伊斯蘭傳統上反對墮胎
但係我個人認為，如果係因為畸變或者其他危機狀況導致母體有危險，咁就應該墮胎

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你對謀殺嬰兒「權利」嘅態度係？

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@setimuni 喺 你對墮胎權嘅態度係？ 入面講：

伊斯蘭傳統上反對墮胎
但係我個人認為，如果係因為畸變或者其他危機狀況導致母體有危險，咁就應該墮胎

不能同意更多

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@虫文门 喺 你對墮胎權嘅態度係？ 入面講：

有两个层面：道德层面同法律层面

1. 喺道德层面，我认为堕胎系杀人，同其他普通基督徒嘅睇法类似。

不过喺胎儿对母亲生命造成威胁嘅情况下，应该允许。我将其归类于“紧急避险”。

2. 喺法律层面，我认为堕胎合法同非法都唔违宪，所以应该遵从投票结果决定。但我会投反对合法嘅票，包括强奸嘅情况，唔包括威胁母亲生命安全嘅情况。

首先，宪法是否保护胎儿嘅人权，唔明确。

如果胎儿唔算生命，咁禁止堕胎就系侵犯母亲隐私权，违宪，参考Roe vs Wade。

如果胎儿算生命，咁允许堕胎就系侵犯胎儿人权，亦都违宪。

所以，关键系人民是否认同胎儿算生命。

我认为算，所以我反对堕胎合法。

如果系强奸怀孕，咁我认为母亲出于道德都应该养大。但我都理解佢嘅委屈，所以我支持佢可以遗弃去孤儿院。

有啲人认为喺法律层面禁堕胎违背政教分离原则。但系，如果宗教=禁堕胎，无神论=允许堕胎（反例都有，呢度唔展开），咁如果允许堕胎，就相当于“无神论”同“政治”唔分离，而无神论都可以归类于“宗教”。而家冇证明无神论定有神论岩，咁政府应该维持中立，双方嘅自由都唔侵犯；而必须选择一方牺牲另一方嘅时候，就遵从多数，除非明显违宪。

而家Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization正在进行，我就同共和党嘅主流立场接近。

Roe v. Wade係美國歷史中，最嚴重違反美國憲法嘅判決，極左法官拋棄憲法，個人政見行先，極之無恥。

要杜絕強奸，祇需要判死刑或閹刑加10年以上刑期，由犯人選擇就唔能夠話係cruel or unusual punishment
左癌平時開口埋口女權，但當話要嚴懲強奸犯就會被左癌群起而攻，話你係父權

因為投民煮党嘅損民好多都係罪犯，民煮党員同RINO 狗呢啲所謂精英階層都經常姦淫擄掠，強奸細路，吸毒，所以佢哋嘅政策係pro-crime，美其名progressive ，實情係確保強奸祇會係輕微罪行，坐兩年就放，甚至可以$1000 保釋

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我認為醫蓄如果提供醫療緊急需要除外嘅墮胎，就違反咗紐倫堡公約，亦係一級謀殺，必須嚴懲。

[親衞隊]

@當撈侵 喺 你對墮胎權嘅態度係？ 入面講：

我認為醫蓄如果提供醫療緊急需要除外嘅墮胎，就違反咗紐倫堡公約，亦係一級謀殺，必須嚴懲。

如果法律承認0週胎兒都係人，就係謀殺

THE NUREMBERG CODE

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
   This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be
   so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element
   of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and
   should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter
   involved, as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter
   element requires that, before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental
   subject, there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment;
   the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably
   to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person, which may possibly come from his
   participation in the experiment.
   The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each
   individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and
   responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society,
   unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation
   and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study, that the
   anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental
   suffering and injury.
5. No experiment should be conducted, where there is an a priori reason to believe that
   death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the
   experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian
   importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the
   experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.
8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest
   degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who
   conduct or engage in the experiment.
9. During the course of the experiment, the human subject should be at liberty to bring the
   experiment to an end, if he has reached the physical or mental state, where continuation of the
   experiment seemed to him to be impossible.
10. During the course of the experiment, the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate
    the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith,
    superior skill and careful judgement required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is
    likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

睇唔出同紐倫堡公約有咩關聯？佢唔係約束人體試驗咩？做手術係鬼試驗？

[親衞隊]

咦，基於出生公民權，如果可以證明受孕嗰瞬間喺國土內係咪就有公民權

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@親衞隊 喺 你對墮胎權嘅態度係？ 入面講：

@當撈侵 喺 你對墮胎權嘅態度係？ 入面講：

我認為醫蓄如果提供醫療緊急需要除外嘅墮胎，就違反咗紐倫堡公約，亦係一級謀殺，必須嚴懲。

如果法律承認0週胎兒都係人，就係謀殺

THE NUREMBERG CODE

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
   This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be
   so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element
   of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and
   should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter
   involved, as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter
   element requires that, before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental
   subject, there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment;
   the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably
   to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person, which may possibly come from his
   participation in the experiment.
   The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each
   individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and
   responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society,
   unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation
   and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study, that the
   anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental
   suffering and injury.
5. No experiment should be conducted, where there is an a priori reason to believe that
   death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the
   experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian
   importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the
   experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.
8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest
   degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who
   conduct or engage in the experiment.
9. During the course of the experiment, the human subject should be at liberty to bring the
   experiment to an end, if he has reached the physical or mental state, where continuation of the
   experiment seemed to him to be impossible.
10. During the course of the experiment, the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate
    the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith,
    superior skill and careful judgement required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is
    likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

睇唔出同紐倫堡公約有咩關聯？佢唔係約束人體試驗咩？做手術係鬼試驗？

醫生受紐倫堡公約規管。

The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society,
unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.

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自己知情而有意識去殺嬰喺所有國家都絕對係犯罪，但左癌通過嘅法律令醫蓄有免責。

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@親衞隊 喺 你對墮胎權嘅態度係？ 入面講：

咦，基於出生公民權，如果可以證明受孕嗰瞬間喺國土內係咪就有公民權

講明係出生嗰刻

[親衞隊]

@當撈侵

但係生命誕生嗰刻係國內喎

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@親衞隊

生命開始同俾公民權係兩件事喎

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Norma McCorvey, also known as "Jane Roe," only sought an abortion for herself. She did not wish for her personal battle to result in a nationwide "legalization" of the procedure. The only reason the case bore her name was because of her pro-abortion feminist lawyer, Sarah Weddington, who sought to have Texas' abortion ban overturned. Even more importantly, Roe became pro-life and sought to have the Supreme Court's decision overturned.

https://www.lifenews.com/2017/02/18/norma-mccorvey-jane-roe-of-roe-v-wade-passes-away-she-never-had-an-abortion-and-became-pro-life/

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@虫文门

強制墮胎同完全禁止墮胎應該都係算侵犯自由？

宗教=禁堕胎

宗教唔一定就禁墮胎，因爲只要有宗教自由，每日都可以有新嘅新興宗教

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@虫文门 喺 你對墮胎權嘅態度係？ 入面講：

所以我支持佢可以遗弃去孤儿院

有個問題，遺棄之後係咪完全唔使負母親責任？

[親衞隊]

仲有就係黑市墮胎診所，法律就算禁止，有需求就一直會存在

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@親衞隊 喺 你對墮胎權嘅態度係？ 入面講：

@虫文门 喺 你對墮胎權嘅態度係？ 入面講：

所以我支持佢可以遗弃去孤儿院

有個問題，遺棄之後係咪完全唔使負母親責任？

唔應該要負責任。

如果政棍有心對付強奸犯，起碼可以立法罰到佢哋傾家蕩產，終身監禁。但佢哋絕對唔會咁做，因為十隻政棍九隻搞幼幼。

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@親衞隊 喺 你對墮胎權嘅態度係？ 入面講：

仲有就係黑市墮胎診所，法律就算禁止，有需求就一直會存在

咁講所有法律都會導致黑市

[親衞隊]

起碼可以立法罰到佢哋傾家蕩產，終身監禁

廢咗死刑嘅國家，謀殺最高都係終身監禁， 強姦犯應該會揀毀屍滅跡

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@親衞隊 喺 你對墮胎權嘅態度係？ 入面講：

起碼可以立法罰到佢哋傾家蕩產，終身監禁

廢咗死刑嘅國家，謀殺最高都係終身監禁， 強姦犯應該會揀毀屍滅跡

左膠禍國殃民

[親衞隊]

@當撈侵

應該恢復先死刑

[親衞隊]

冇死刑可以直接復仇

[薯皮]

係父母個人自由
但選擇得生佢出嚟就有責任好好照顧佢到大個

[親衞隊]

@薯皮

American exceptionalism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bR4FJFuWcE (Invidious)

[sniperglory]

作為女仔，雖然未大過肚，但覺得如果個胎係自已，而且有幾個月大，就唔應該墮胎

[犀飛利]

唔該咁多位等陣先，査實係噉𠸏，撈話先至會嗌「墮胎」㗎喞，粵文係嗌做「落仔」嘅，遞次因住啲嘞。

[親衞隊]

@犀飛利

咁係「第次」定「遞次」？，「遞次」點解係用「遞」，速遞？

撈話先至會嗌「墮胎」㗎喞，粵文係嗌做「落仔」嘅

而家通行嘅書面華文歷史得100幾年，如果之前嘅古漢文講得通嘅詞用有乜唔妥？

[犀飛利]

@親衞隊 係噉𠸏師兄，査實我個人覺得用「遞次」定抑或「第次」都Okay𠸏，照意思嚟講嘅話我偏向用「第次」，我個人覺得「Dai6 Ci3」呢隻粵詞應該係「第貳次」或者「第N次」嘅縮簡詞，不過若果係照字型嘅靚度嚟講嘅我鍾意用「遞次」多啲。響度再戴返個頭盔先，上便講嘅皆In my Opinion，仲未經過任何史料檢證，齋參考用㗎喞，用字方面亦係因我個人喜好嚟用，唔知師兄妳見覺得點呢？

[犀飛利]

若果戥㩧嘢個攻守雙方響㩧嘢嗰陣齊齊諗住係要陀臊孲嘅兼Pass埋Appraise做爹爹孃親個Exam先至有得Conceive嘅話咪幾好囉。

[親衞隊]

@犀飛利

咁玩人類會滅亡，定係你想metaverse扑嘢？

[犀飛利]

@親衞隊

好耐冇見阿師兄，近排幾好嘛，係噉𠸏師兄，我個人諗覺呢個Scheme經已確係有得至大限度噉減落爹孃同個細𡀔雙方會預著嘅苦難㗎嘞，其壹係唔會出現因姦陀仔嘅Tragedy，其貳係至少有得包保到Pass咗個Exam啲爹孃係堅係有Heart兼且響各個Dimension喥都湊得掂個細𡀔，Make Sure到啲細𡀔由細細個到大個都係Growing Up得Safely同埋Happily，第時到呢啲咁Happy嘅細𡀔要做爹孃嗰陣又有自己親身兼成功嘅Experience嚟做版，Pass個Exam掗實挺係有料嘅嗰種Easy，就係噉樣慢慢噉攪出個Virtuous Circle。

之但係呢，我個人亦都覺人類滅亡査實都不失爲單好嘢嚟𠸏，事因呢喥係個Negative World嚟嘅，莫講話係人類嘞，冚𠾴唥啲Lifes「除咗齋光合作用嘅啲Plants」During個Exsitence嗰陣，我任妳點都好，都實挺會Kill到其他Lifes𠸏，若果係用有冇攞Sacrifice其他Lifes嚟做延續自身Life個Expense嚟Judge係咪Innocent嘅話，我個人夠膽話當今世上除咗「齋光合作用嘅啲Plants」之外個冚啲Lifes都唔係Innocent。嚹，妳睇下嘞，生出嚟嘅細𡀔橫掂都係會呱柴𠸏，個細𡀔生到出嚟又要焗住Face咁多苦難「病，禍，災，戰之類嘅嘢」，跟住啲Lifes During生勾勾嗰陣，若果係要戥自己冇咁快呱柴，又要攞Sacrifice第啲Lifes嚟做Expense，跟住啲人嘅話又會爲咗啲Power，啲Resourses又抑或啲Wealths之類嘅嘢響喥打生打死爭崩頭，就算攪到生靈塗炭亦都仲係會覺爭到咗至係最緊要嘅嘢。

講得有啲灰𠻹，之但係呢個亦都係我個人嘅Philosophy嚟㗎喞，唔知師兄你又見覺點呢？